> > >Beekeepers are never in doubt, Ted, I am constantly in doubt! I question everything, especially common wisdom, and any opinions that I might hold (I hold personal opinions, other than basic respect for all life, rather lightly). Although Bob thinks that I am some sort of defender for Bayer, in actuality, I am a defender of logic and good data to feed into that logic. There is currently a data set that has not been collected--no one that I know of has yet run any large tunnel trials of bees on corn treated with clothianidin. Such a trial should be replicated in various areas, by various independent researchers. The data from such a trial would, I expect, go a long way toward determining the degree of effect of seed treatment upon foraging bee colonies. I've been pushing for such a trial for over two years. Randy Oliver *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm