>Has anyone ever made anything like that? Simpler. A heavy 2x4, approx 22'' long 2 heavy nails(16d) headless, one square the other slightly tilted out At square nail is a long tapered wedge (3'' long, 1->4mm thick) to allow for variable length of frames (must be hardwood, softwood will groove too quickly). Squeezes frames ~4-5mm when between nails Wire roll mounted on end with tilted nail. String wire before squeezing Half the sqeeze is from tilt, half when inserting Makes nice musical note Not so good for many wires, but bees don't like that either dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm