How do you define starve? I have had bees that have starved because it was simply too cold for too long to move the cluster across the frames and as a result starved out within 1" of honey. I leave 85 to 100# weight going into the winter and they always have plenty of stores, but I always lose bees to winter. Is this due to starvation or because they froze? I argue they froze because they starved. Not trying to be argumentative, just curious. Richard Stewart Carriage House Farm North Bend, Ohio An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855 (513) 967-1106 http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm