Bob said: "The largest apple grower in Missouri is very happy with organophosphates and considers the neonicotinoids problems. He says none of the growers believe the neonicotinoids will do the job the organophospahtes do. He has been using organophosphates since 1926. Believes pulling the organophosphates will be the last straw for the U.S. apple industry and he will go out of business." Wow no matter how Bob cuts it Neonics are doom and gloom. Either they will kill off the honeybees or now the apple industry! Here is a powerpoint presentation called Organophosphate (OP) Alternatives to Anthropod Management. http://orchard.uvm.edu/uvmapple/pest/insects/AgnelloVT_OP_Alts_Feb2008.pdf As an apple grower I agree that we now have ample replacements for the OP chemicals. The main issue is the price is much higher or the systemics would be used more often around here. For coddling moth OP has never worked as well as Assail. Suggesting that the apple industry will go out of business without OP's is laughable in my view. *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Access BEE-L directly at: http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-LSOFTDONATIONS.exe?A0=BEE-L