>(Written from MacDonalds on I95). Well, that then explains a lot, Allen : ) We must now put your posts into the perspective of coming from someone under the influence of a MacDonalds diet. Such a diet has been clearly demonstrated to have significant negative long-term effects on human beings, and is suspected to have negative impact on human cognitive processes. Since you have obviously forgotten that you had stated that you were going to wait for the full study to be published (perhaps your MacDonalds diet is also having an effect upon your long-term memory, likely due to the sugar rush from the HFCS), I guess that I will return to the fray... >I'm much more inclined to believe a presenter who finds what his/her study was unable to do and where it was grey more interesting than what appeared to be proven. Allen, I am disturbed by your continued dissing of Dr Rogers. The beekeepers in the trial have told me how impressed they were with his data collection, and his working with them. Last I spoke with them, they were looking forward to working with him again! And he did indeed report on what he was unable to do--to find any measurable negative effect upon broodrearing in the treated group. This was a surprise, since such an effect was expected! >I am also alarmed by the amount of cheerleading I see for this (IMO) superficial and flawed superficial study. Allen, I don't know how many other Movento studies you've read (it has been well tested in your country), but "cheerleading" for a pesticide that doesn't harm bees sounds reasonable to me! Again, I'm disturbed by your repeat (literally) of the words "superficial" and "flawed." I thought that we agreed that you would refrain from judging the study until you saw the full data. When you use those words, you have prejudged it, and taken a position. The study was designed to detect any negative effects upon colonies under normal field application on a specific crop. It didn't find any that I can see. I've asked you how you would suggest improving on the experimental design, and am still waiting for an answer. Randy Oliver *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Access BEE-L directly at: http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-LSOFTDONATIONS.exe?A0=BEE-L