I'm also wondering if you have called in the experts to sample and corroborate your CCD suspicions, and document other details such as amounts of feed in hives, the possibility of poisoning, etc. You must be joking. It's like a prim librarian seeing a drunk vomiting in the gutter. Doesn't want to look but is very aware (I'm sure there is a better analogy) Experts -- what experts -- there is no ccd in ont/can, its all in your mind This tends to confirm my suspicions unless you can tell me that the hives never had less that 20 lbs of stores -- even for a few days. Strong hives go nuts if they are on the edge of starving. None less than 50# most more. Damn heavy boxes See posts spr/07 dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Access BEE-L directly at: http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-LSOFTDONATIONS.exe?A0=BEE-L