I do agree with Gloria about the "dead mother" pose :-( I think most women would get themselves into a semi reclining pose, however I gathered they were waiting for the placenta in this case. I do think most women would instinctively "help" the baby, but it is fascinating to see what a baby can do all on her own, which is what most of the "breast crawl" videos show. They show baby is competent! I like Baby led-mother sped(when and where appropriate) philosophy . I read a novel many, many years ago (like maybe 40-wish I could remember title :-( where a woman was left alone on an island in Alaska, accidently. She had a bad fall and was quite laid up, delivered baby while inconscious and woke to find infant latched on, baby still attached to expelled placenta! She went ahead and breastfed quite nicely and was rescued in the spring with her healthy baby. Pat in SNJ *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome