Hello Jim & All, As a lifelong semi driver I maybe should comment. > I still wonder if a 'persistant' bear could gain entry into a reefer? I doubt if the old style all steel reefer but most of these have been cut up for steel by now. I doubt an all steel ocean container. If the new style with light sheet metal with quarter inch pop rivets I would think they could if they wanted to. Most of these are aluminum which would tear easy. Using a reefer might be OK if you plan on simply pulling into a location and leaving forever. Its hard to go through scales with old reefers and sitting in a field is hard on old equipment. The most knowledgeable beeks I know on bear control are the Wootens ( California). I would give Shannon or Glenda a call and ask their advice. The Wootens have been running bees in bear country all their lives. A picture of their giant bear traps has been in ABJ. I believe Lance Sundberg would also provide information on his methods if asked. If you want to contact either email me direct and I will provide phone numbers. With the methods provided by members of BEE-L on the way they control bears and perhaps from Lance or Shannon I would simply build a fence as they build. Once built then unless a bear tears the fence up all you need to do is replace the batteries at regular intervals. With today's high prices paid for steel and aluminum I do not believe buying a reefer would be cheaper than a fence. Not even close. 40 foot ocean containers are running $1600 -2000 plus tax & delivery in our area. If the war in Iraq ends the price of steel will drop to pre war levels exactly like it did when the Nam war ended. Then your 40 foot ocean container would be worth half as much if you went out of beekeeping and wanted to try to get your investment back. An ocean container would fit the bill as no tires ,brakes or lights to worry about but you need set on 4-6 inches of gravel (not cheap) * and* at least 120 feet of clearing in order to set or pickup the container. Lots of work in remote areas of heavy brush. I can't really believe you are still considering a reefer. Pickup & delivery of reefers in our area by semi drivers is running over $2 a mile and the reefer has to be able to pass a scale inspection. Must have current plates. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************