Peter questions Bob's statement: Bob: > The final word from the USDA_ARS on "disappearing disease" was that it was not caused by a pathogen but was a genetic problem. I have been in beekeeping since the fifties. My ABJ collection dates to the roaring twenties. Quote from pg. 215 of the 37th edition of the ABC XYZ.( time period of the phenomenon) If the below is not good enough I can start pulling ABJ & BC articles by both Rothenbuler & Wilson. Pg. 215 "Dr. William T. Wilson , of the USDA ( known to Bob H. as "Bill" and the lead USDA-ARS researcher on "Disappearing Disease") has suggested that the CAUSE of "disappearing disease" is a GENETIC SHIFT in the honeybee population. Undesirable GENES have caused a change in the physiology or behavior of the bees. Dr. Wilson has undertaken EXTENSIVE RESEARCH to test his hypothesis." With the above final word on "disappearing disease" ( after years of research) one can easily see why today's researchers decided to call the new problem other than "disappearing disease". The similarities between "disappearing disease" and CCD are eerily similar. Actually almost exactly the same! To date CCD is simply a name for a set of symptoms with no single cause. Not to be confused with nosema ceranae or the neonicotinoids. Which many of us consider real problems but a few do not. Also for Jim but I have posted same many times on BEE-L but here again: Temik comes in a bag and is broadcast. Was originally a product of Union Carbide then Bayer purchased the rights. Currently banned in the U.K. Was one of the first systemic pesticides. Many reported problems in Florida such as ground water contamination. Reportedly found in oranges and orange juice but still legal to use in Jan. & Feb. at harvest time. Many beeks in Florida report bee kills with bees in orange traced back to temik use. Some growers still using as the first label read instead of doing as the new label requires. bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************