Bob: Have you ever seen a nasty hive of AHB? They are small for the most part and usually around 5000 bees. However they all come at you at once. Reply: Bob, I have never seen a hive like that that come at you all at once. Really! and I have worked bees and lots of them for many years since a teen, and I do handle all the swarm traps for the Tucson and GreenValley Gold courses and still have not seen what you describe. Sure makes one wonder what the differences are, like chemical usage in ones area, and soil treatments, farming ways that could get such things going........and or types of bees interfacing beekeeper to beekeeper perhaps......just dunno, for have really never seen this. Even after the recent conference here and picking up knocked over equipment with no smoker for the most part, just didn't see whole hives doing this, and several beekeepers were out with me looking at yards too. If killers we should have all be attacked and covered from head to foot from what you describe, but we weren't. Anyway, anytime you wish to see my bees you still can...... just so you can observe and try to see a difference to explain this happening sorta. Dee ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************