Lanfeust wrote: > The idea is that we have to let apart dogmatic positions as "free for > all, let's do anything we want anyway we want" or "go back to caves". > As defined, sustainability is certainly not a back in past nor a run > against progress. It should not be a dogmatic religion either. It is > quest for a more intelligent and a lucider way to develop. I think we > are intelligent enough to allow us to question the way we are donig > things, aren't we ? > Totally agree, but that is the reasoned approach to life. My argument is and will be with those who distort it to achieve their agenda. Before the buzz word, sustainable, there were those who cleaned up the rivers, air and fought for a clean environment. We do have cleaner air, rivers and and longer lives now than we did just twenty years ago, much less 100. But reading some posts here, you would think that we are all near death at the next drink of water or breath of air. This whole thing started with an attack against commercial beekeeping and BIG AGRICULTURE (caps since it is an inviting target) and that they are not sustainable. Actually, they are and have been for years. Can they be improved? Certainly, but that is not what is desired. Just read those posts. Which is my issue with the movement, and it is a movement, not a plan or concept. Were it only the latter as you describe, there would be no issue. BTW, I have been practicing it for years, as have many on this list, just we have called it by its correct name, husbandry and conservation, concepts that have been around for centuries. There is no way I am going to pollute my garden with either fertilizer or pesticides since I get my water from a dug well in the back yard about twenty feet from the garden. Plus, I live by a body of water with 7 endangered/threatened plants, which I have helped to spread and encouraged their growth, with the help and approval of the State DEP. Anything I put on my soil would run-off into the river. The river, the Kennebec, has been cleaned up so well that we have salmon and other commercial game fish that support a sport fishing industry on the river. BTW, the endangered plants are our Christmas Dinner mixed salad........ (keep those emails coming) Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************