>>yes, i know that there is a "movement" of sorts that doesn't believe that aids is caused by the hiv virus Did I say HIV does not cause AIDS? Although quite a few epidemiologists say it, I did not say HIV does not cause AIDS. I don't know if it does or does not. I do know AIDS victims typically die of secondary diseases resulting from seriously weakened immune systems. There are many factors in weakened immune systems (just read the AZT insert - AZT side effects mimic the symptoms of AIDS). I did say the standard AIDS test often results in misdiagnosis. On the other hand, the grave predictions from the 1980's that AIDS would become an epidemic in the general society have not materialized. And I am not convinced that people have become more faithful or celibate because you'd see a significant dent in STDs. AIDS being unrelated to bees and CCD, my original comment had to do with improper comparison of CCD with AIDS. Similarly to AIDS, some of the dire predictions in the media about CCD are unfounded AT THIS TIME. Something is causing some colonies to lose its workforce. As far as I can tell, it will be some time before we know some concrete facts from the CCD team. My point is that we should not jump to premature conclusions and just wait for the facts. Waldemar ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************