Bob: So many misunderstandings that I don't know where to begin! If I write more clearly will you read more closely? Formic: Yes I have experience, 10 yrs ago, hence my dislike A full size pad is best, but not for a nuc for a few reasons It does work very well, when too hot dilute a calculated amount and they won't kill Queen (down to 40%) Why does formic have an effect on bees that do NOT have TM??? Is n. cerena sensitive to formic??? Skunks: I was refering to the biological warfare aspect Since i'm in canada and since long guns are awkward to drag around I use eggs. BTW does anyone know how well cats handle an asperin OD? I can just see it: See bear, lift 22, say damn, damn, damn, should I or shouldn't I....... BTW most hoppers don't hop, its just a name Most crawl up a grass stem, fall, repeat until death in grass they usually only go 5 - 10', most <5' You can be sure that I checked the other hives very closely This was the only one with hoppers >Yet unnamed. Symptoms unknown. We might guess that it interferes with flying or homing or makes them restless (in that order) Yes my data strongly suggests an infective agent That's why I only picked hoppers & there were NO young bees in this nuc yet -- pollen apr 18 should be a good clue BP was very clear that if she did not see TM then it was not there dave ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************