Thanks Deknow! Sure doesn’t sound like extreme organic to me either! I just started researching Gunther on the internet and have his book ordered, and what I have read so far made no mention of him promoting treatments. This is not very impressive considering he is Co-Founder and Program Director of The Pfeiffer Center for Biodynamics and Environmental Studies in Chestnut Ridge, NY. Seems like nothing more than a lower form of regular organic to me. I’ve been looking more and more overseas to the EU for information on Ecological Beekeeping with many countries way ahead of us with this type of beekeeping. Seems the practice of Extreme Organic beekeeping is much more accepted in the EU with guidelines already in place, while here in the USA the Extreme Organic Beekeeping seems to be met with Extreme Resistance. :) PS. I wish you good luck with you ‘Massachusetts Chemical Free Beekeeping Group’. If there is any way I can help out, just send a PM. Best Wishes, Joe -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---