> We have been over this and over this. There has been *no* universal > upsizing of bees in the Americas. Perhaps I missed the announcement of some sort of compelling proof in support of Allen's statement, if so, I'd love to hear about it. I do know that Ohio State University has a bee museum at the OARDC facility in Wooster Ohio, and this museum houses several very old foundation mills. I did not take measurements from these mills myself, but I asked Dave Heilman (who, until budget cutbacks, worked for Jim Tew) for access to these mills for taking measurement several years ago. Dave told me that I need not bother, that he had taken measurements, and they clearly were mills designed to make smaller-celled foundation than the current type of foundation offered for sale by the major vendors. I plan on going to the Tri-County meeting this March, which is held at the OARDC facility, so if there is any doubt on this point, I will be happy to take a micrometer, and a digital camera to measure any dimensions anyone wants to specify. (I realize that there was some debate on even how to measure cells "properly", so I'd rather hear from others as to how they'd like it done. E-mail me.) I'm not making any claims about "small-cell bees" here, I'm just pointing out that actual hardware of well-known pedigree and age is available for inspection, and echoing what a reliable person told me about his measurements. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---