I just wanted to add a little to what Pam said and reiterate that the job of hospital based LC is, indeed, far different than the community based LC. I have the benefit of having BOTH these positions and I have to say that beause of this, I have developed a different perspective. In the hospital, for the most part, we are dealing with well, term babies. Each baby comes into this world is a different way and has had a different birth experience. This baby's mother may have had no meds, IV's, epidurals, or Mom may have had the whole 9 yards. I have seen babies from both scenarios be poor nursers and others be fantastic from the get-go. I know the evidence points out otherwise, but I am going from what I see here (and I have been doing this a long time). The point is that in the hospital we are dealing with a brand new scenario for both mother and baby. Sure, breastfeeding is natural, but by the same token it is a "learned art" and we are dealing with mothers who have not developed the "art" as yet. Everything is new, scary, and overwhelming. Those of you who do not work in the hospital have no idea what it is like to have to help Mom and baby pack in a lot of knowledge when Mom is not even past the "taking in" phase of her recovery (by the time she is supposed to go home). The Mom we have in the hospital is a totally different mother than the same one I might encounter in the community days or weeks after her delivery. After she is home, Mom has the benefit of familiar surroundings, the benefit of time and the ability to develop the "art" of nursing and she has hopefully also had some sleep. In other words she can think and act more clearly. When I see a mother in the community (and it is most often because the pediatrician has referred the case to me as a "feeding problem" and on occasion it is a self referral which still has to be okayed by the pedi for reimbursement), she is a totally different mother than I might have seen in the hospital. She is past that takking in phase and cab hopefully think and act more clearly. At that point, I can deal with just the problem at hand. I don't ahve to deal as well with all the post partum teaching as well as feeding issues. So, yes, I have to deal with a lot MORE issues in the hospital: especially with the more stringent jaundice guidelines and with peds who don't always trust the process, and all the other woes that some have pointed out. But you know what? That's just the way it is. When I find a teachable moment (for the pedis) I take it. Just a couple of weeks ago, the pediatrician who was on was talking with me about a patient and the breastfeeding problems she was having. When she asked if I was going to go in and see her, she said,"Can I come with you and watch?" I didn't do anything out of the ordinary but she complimented me after. By the same token, I defer to her when we are dealing with something out of my comfprt zone and when there is a need to supplement (or whatever) I am more than willing to work WITH the doctor and work around the problem because the bottom line is that I am more likely to be able to preserve the breastfeeding experience that way. Another time, right in front of another pediatrician, I pointed out a prominant tongue tie. Now I know (because I know this doc) that this would have been blown off completely had I not said something. The next day, the frenulum was clipped by one of our ENT's. I know the family learned something and I hope the doc did as well. Because I have pointed out several tight ties to another of the docs, she now is far MORE careful about looking for them and having the ENT evaluate. So the combination of skills has been (for the most part) a positive for everyone concerned. That's the way it should be: a collaborative team approach. Sometimes, the teams area good mix of "players" and sometimes they are not. There is absolutely NOTHING any of us can do about that exccept to nurture the good ones and step away from the toxic ones. Pam also mentioned parental responsibility in her last post. You know, everyone, there comes a time when we as LC's have to step back and let the parent take the responsibility to speak with the physician, get a second opinion, etc. Most of what we might give as phone information is stuff that is readily available online just about everywhere. So I have to agree with Pam about when to f/u with the doc and when it is Mom and Dad who have to take the lead and do so. Personally, I am very pleased that there is so much new, indeepth information on breastfeeding on the AAP website. I have been printing it out and giving it to our pediatricians and showing them where it is on the site, etc,. If you have not taken the opportunity to really look at the AAP breastfeeding information in depth, take the time to do so. There is a ton of good stuff there. All we can do is take every teachable moment we can and go from there. We cannot fix the world and it will never be as we like to think it should be. That's life. Things are different now than they were when I was nursing my children and they will be different again years from now. As far as bashing goes, there is a big difference between sharing a frustrating situation when a doc may have given poor advice or undercut a mother, but it is a whole different thing to generalize and criticize an entire profession (doctor, nurse, hospitals,etc). So much has to do with the presentation and how the person (doc, nurse, lawyer, LC,etc) comes across. Betsy Riedel RNC, IBCLC *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET email list is powered by LISTSERV (R). There is only one LISTSERV. To learn more, visit: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html