I'm with Bob. My wife got me Adrian's book for a present a year or two ago, and I can't see anyone who has any objectivity and a background in science who would just ignore what he has to say. I recommend it heartily, and if I'm not mistaken, you can order it from him for a very reasonable price. It's one of those books which help a person grow. Tim Vaughan :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::