Rene says, <<I have never seen where the breasts are filling, but nothing is coming out (btw-she has NOT had breast surgery) Any advice would be greatly appreciated.>> I have had two moms that had non-patent ducts. There were no nipple pores. The breasts filled and nothing came out. One of the mothers had flattish looking nipples, and this had happened w/ her first baby; the other had VERY inverted nipples that you couldn't get out at all. The second mother was able to get one drop at a time, so I suspect she had one patent duct, the other mother was unable to get anything out. Jan Barger, RN, MA, IBCLC, Wheaton IL _www.lactationeducationconsultants.com_ (http://www.lactationeducationconsultants.com/) "I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as though there isn't, and die to find out there is." - Pascal *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html