Kirsten You have worked it all out already. You will now be able to say to a future client "I have worked with one dyad where the clipping caused some pain and crying and the bf did not improve right away, but it did w/i a few days." or something like that. Never say never nor always. You can say "very often moms experience immediate relief of pain" or something like that but you should add that the clipping is not a guarantee. REally this is just informed consent. Have you heard my motto - live and learn? Well you did and so do all of us every day. Laurie Wheeler, IBCLC, MN, RN New Orleans Louisiana, s.e. USA *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html