Robert Peters replies to others' puzzlement about how Liszt's music can be "vain or self-centered": >I simply dont like Liszts music. No-one disputed this. I'm sure they'd support the right to dislike _any_ composer's music. >To me it is utterly vain and self-centered. This, indeed, is the point, although it just repeats the "offending" passage, the one that raised the call for some account. That is: this begs the question, and doesn't address it. That question was: just how does an assemblage of notes on a page and/or of organized sounds occupying a stretch of time manage to show that its maker is vain and self-centred? >For you it is different which is fine with me. Another red herring: no one said otherwise. >Taste is free, isnt it? One is, indeed, free to have one's tastes, and shouldn't be condemned for them. But nobody did that. What's being asked is for some account for what seems to be a category confusion. >Nikolaus Harnancourt once said that he doesnt conduct Mahler because >"his music is only occupied with himself". In other words: vain and >self-centered. Now would you command Mr Harnancourt that he has to >justify this "vile slander"? But wouldn't it be nice to know what he meant? Sounds pretty strange to me -- even granting that Harnoncourt probably knows a lot more about music than me. If he said it was overladen with harmonic density, or thematically thin, or that there were "too many notes," you might well disagree, but at least you'd *understand* the point. Say Furtwangler held that Celso Garrido-Lecca's Cello Concerto struck him as polka-dotted, having the smell of lemons, and had a certain Thursday feel to it. Would you defend his right to his tastes? For my part, I'd call these category confusions, and would want him to account for why they're not. Just because it's Rostropovich (well, whoever) doesn't mean they make any sense. It doesn't remove any the musical authority of such people to expect them to submit to logic, to make sense. Saying music shows its composer's conceit or vanity -- or cruelty, to pick another psychological trait that is seemingly absurd when predicated about music -- just seems to go beyond the horizon of what music is regarded as able to convey. Saying it's *your tastes* that makes it so for you doesn't clarify anything. What will clarify is if you can account for why it is within those horizons. Bert Bailey