Beyond the nipple care that Cathy suggested, here is my take: Maybe this baby has a bit of a recessed chin which is why the lower lip consistantly sucks in. I would try for an asymetrical latch with the chin really smooshed in and the nose out. Sometimes that means moving baby's body a bit differently to get the chin up in there. I sometimes have mom pull baby's head up closer to the armpit of the breast she is using so that she can get more chin into the breast (cradle hold). And I want one hand behind his neck/shoulders guiding him in (football or cross cradle). Or baby could be a jaw clencher and staying on tight and hurting mom. Craniosacral therapy helps this one. I have seen lots of babies gain poorly when they are latched on poorly, especially those with the kind of recessed chin where the bottom lip doesn't meet exactly to the top lip when mouth is closed. I don't think we really have research showing definatively that fluids given in birth to the mom will create a higher fluid loss in the baby after birth. When I see 10% loss, I think poor intake. Test weighing of a feeding will help determine if baby is removing enough milk. Also counting bowel movements if mom is not supplementing. Kathy Eng, BSW, IBCLC *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html