Suzanne, KimAnn et al, I have frequently used this comparison in talking with parents as well as docs. Without taking any position on whether or not boy should be circ'd, I point out that clipping the frenulum is a far less invasive/traumatic procedure. It serves as an argument in favor of clipping when talking with docs (unfortunately it doesn't sway very many, but I keep trying). Parents usually don't know what's involved, and tend to be very concerned when you mention clipping as they immediately think of it as a big surgical procedure (that view often reinforced by docs who are anti-clipping) so when I point this out, they are much more relaxed about the possibility of having it done. I find that even parents of girls are aware of the casual approach to doing a circ in the maternity unit. They nay have even known of an adult or older child who had it done, in which case it is much more involved that with a newborn. It concerns me when even docs who will clip take a "wait and see if it causes a problem" attitude. Yes, some babies seem to do fine even with what we might view as a severe tongue limitation. However, I have seen a few infants where the procedure wasn't done until it was obvious there was a problem. Unfortunately, by that time, the baby had established its nursing techniques and in some cases it took some effort to "convince" the baby that its tongue was now more mobile and took some retraining until nursing was going well. Since it is such a mild procedure, it makes more sense to me to have it clipped if it is obvious rather than to compromise breastfeeding by waiting and acting after a problem has been established. Winnie *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html