Kevin Sutton <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >I would vote for the Berlin Philharmonic, I hope that they are improving under Simon Rattle, but they struck me as having deteriorated a lot under Abbado. Someone told me that after Karajan many of the old players retired, and that their replacements weren't as good. I don't know how true this is. I could only vote for the OLD Berlin Philharmonic, the BPO under Furtwangler and subsequently Karajan. hector aguilar