Lloyd asked, "Which have you had experience with? Have you found one where you do not have to trim the point...a messy job." I've used both Testor and Uni-Posca. Both do a nice job, but the Uni-Posca is more reasonably priced, and the folks behind the web-page I listed gave supurlative service (next day mailing, searched to find best shipping, friendly follow-through via email). As far as trimming the tip, it's best done before you use the pen! Trim the tip while it is dry, brefore it has been primed with the paint. Aaron Morris - thinking When You Requeen, Get the Best! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::