Like Mike, I have also found my breath to be a useful tool: Often when searching for a queen I will gently puff upon a frame having a mass of clustered workers. Sometimes, although rarely, you can find her as the cluster of bees disperses. Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::