An interesting point as presented by Brother Adam. Is not a certain amount of hybrid vigor generated by the cross of Italians and Carniolans? I am not intentionally striving for this cross, epecially since I have gone to the effort to keep the Italian yard and the Carbiolan yard apart by approx. 5 miles, and use my old breeder queens for drone mothers. Out of curiousity I will survey some of the beekeepers that are reordering and see if they are having any problems with the bees becoming "bad tempered" or "swarmy." In my own yards I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary. Thanks Frank Wyatt Eden,NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::