Well this has been a very interesting chat for me. I decided to check out each option and found out that I personally do much better with the hard pump horns. Glad I checked, I had been using the soft and not getting much out when I pumped, I also put in the smaller inserts. I am getting milk both ways and I think that the suggestion that if you pump with and then remove the inserts, you are getting all the milk ducts is a good one. I am experimenting with the horn inserts to see if I "qualify" as small nippled or not. I am on the fence right now. I will tell the mom to try both and see which produces more, I just wish I had alittle more scientific way to tell her. I will tell her to go with which is more comfortable and which produces more milk, right? With my inserts, the places that I hand express dont quite seem to be far enough in to be stimulated but I am gettng a bit more it seems with the inserts. Perhaps that alone is the answer. JP *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html