"But when the LD50 of venom is reached," It's actually the LD for the individual. If the exact LD 50 for bee venom could be worked out, which is of course impossible, there would not likely be any person in the world who's lethal dose would be the same as this number. Having said that, I agree with you, Hugo. It doesn't matter what the cause of death is, just the amount of bee venom that it takes to kill an average person. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::