Debbie I see what you are saying. However, I don't just use abundant wt gain to say the baby is thriving or not. I would not consider a baby who is miserable most of the day to be thriving. Maybe we are just mincing words, I would consider a happy, chubby, healthy baby to be thriving. Not a miserable, unhappy one. Regards, Laurie Wheeler, IBCLC, MN, RN New Orleans Louisiana, s.e. USA _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html