<that baby gets all hot and sweaty and is exhausted after about 3 minutes on breast -> Sounds as if the difficulty and tiredness may not be from working at the breast to express the milk, but the reverse. Try antigravity positions-sounds as if babe may be having difficulty coping with what-for that baby-is a comparatively strong MER, and having to struggle to coordinate breathing with sucking and swallowing. Jean ************* K. Jean Cotterman RNC, IBCLC Dayton, Ohio USA *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html