Pablo Massa to Mike Leghorn: >>Do an experiment: play together the "basso" (Beethoven) and the Mozart >>theme, and sing at the same time the first four bars of the Rondo of >>Mozart's 3rd Violin Concerto (one measure per note). > >uups.. I meant the Rondo of the 5th Violin Concerto. Sorry, Mike. I agree, the Rondo starts with the same harmonic pattern as the finales to the Jupiter and Eroica (after the frantic intro). Thanks for pointing that out. I'm open to the idea that this harmonic pattern is common, but I'm still impressed by the similarities between the Eroica and Jupiter finales, because of the additional similarity of the 4-note motif (and another similarity that I pointed out back when we were first discussing this topic). Still clinging (perhaps not as doggedly) to a crazy idea, Mike