----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Dick" <[log in to unmask]> > The only way I know will work with absolute certainty -- I have successfull drummed bees from walls, and got the queen. I tried this on a colony in a windfall tree last year, but the wood was too rotten to make a good drum. But I think it would work on sound wood. Dave Green SC USA (getting out the rubber mallet) The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com