Barb, I don't think this baby is tongue-tied, as are so many that this ped refers to me! Some kind of Murphy's law, I guess. At first I thought I was just seeing the tongue and gums, but on pulling the lower lip down, there was a huge thick skin between the lip & the gums. I assume this is a tight labial frenulum. Don't have much experience with these, but I'm the tongue-tie finder in this city! The upper lip & gums look OK. I reported this to the ped and hope something will be done. Funny, the parents don't want their 6 day old to have any surgery, but "pass the vaseline for the circ". I'll keep you posted. Alice Ernest IBCLC (LLLL counselling skills definitely helpful with these parents and all the parents I see). *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html