Pablo Massa ([log in to unmask]) wrote: >Deryk Barker <[log in to unmask]>: > >>I believe RVW acknowledged using Beethoven 5 as the structural model for >>his 4th symphony. Incidentally, although that 4-note theme has sometimes >>been mistaken for BACH, it's actually BAHB. No, I think you misunderstand (or I misexplained), it's BAHB using the German notation, i.e it's Bb A B Bb deryk barker ([log in to unmask], http://www.camosun.bc.ca/~dbarker)