Usually the women do a big sigh and say that it feels sooooo good ! We use small gel filled packs that can be heated or frozen. Louise RN CM IBCLC Australia The cure for all things is salt water - Sweat, tears, or the sea. [log in to unmask] *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html