maybe coming in a little late on this thread, sorry, but wanted to comment on the hot showers. seems to work on many engorged moms but maybe it is the tactile stimulation of the hitting water that elicits MER. Maybe we could abandon hot and cold if we could find some effective tactile stim (we do use massage) like gently beating a drum or some auditory stim or aromatherapy. Now there's a fun research project, get lots of engorged moms and try different sounds, smells, and drumbeat rhythms on them - could work. what about an ultrasound treatment, one of us LCs could invent a little portable machine, oh what about a vibrator sort of thing? I'm serious! Laurie Wheeler, IBCLC, MN, RN New Orleans Louisiana, s.e. USA _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html