Robert Clements wrote in reply to me: >>I think music does not have to be beautiful. It is art: art wants to >>express and sometimes it wants to express things which are not beautiful, >>things like anger, grief, ugliness, crime, jealousy etc. Then the music >>must not be beautiful. > >But that which is not beautiful is not necessarily art; otherwise we >would place landfills on museums (there are some museums, admittedly...). I didn't say that everything which is not beautiful is necessarily art. (Things which we consider to be beautiful are also not necessarily art.) I just said that an artist who wants to express something unpleasant has the right to use unpleasant artistic means. Robert Peters [log in to unmask]