Walter Meyer, about the verses: >It might have made more sense if occurring after the recapitulation >of themes from the earlier movements, but what is its point coming after >the the Ode to Joy theme has been fully stated and even treated to some >development? But aside from that, why are the earlier *Toene* ("tones") >less "angenehm" ("pleasant" or "agreeable")? Those words comes inmediatly after the recapitulation of the opening of the movement (bars 208-215). I think that the words are referred strictly to this rough opening passage. Pablo Massa [log in to unmask]