Stirling Newberry <[log in to unmask]> replies to me and Deryk Barker: >Scheonberg didn't believe in atonal music either. Siad it was a >contradiction in terms. That why he used other systems in (some of) his atonal compositions? For example; I know an early short atonal work whichs opus number I can't recall at the moment; Schoenberg uses system on other levels; first a twelwetoneserie is presented, follows its inversion, follows its retrogradation, follows its retrograd inversion... etc. Mats Norrman [log in to unmask]