Bill Pirkle asserts: >we need a generally accepted definition of music. Else we are sure to >argue since I am talking about apples and someone else is talking about >oranges. I think most of the time our informal, subjective, intuitive understanding of what's music and what's not will suffice to provide sufficient context for the questions you ask later. If one party to the discussion does not agree that the piece in question is music, I'm sure that will become immediately evident. len.