[log in to unmask] writes: >In short, I do not, for example, "see" or visualize a river when I listen >to The Moldau. I do not see swans when I listen to Swan Lake. First of all, I agree with you, for the most part (except where you become attacking toward those you don't understand). When I listen to music I see things in my mind, but they are not neccessarily of a physical nature. Perhaps what some people describe in physical terms is an attempt to rationalize the metaphysical truths the music conjures in them. It's the same concept as poetry. I don't like program music, but I love poetry (and am quite the charlatan poet myself) and some people have that kind of poetic mind that makes the abstract concrete. I could be stretching it here though, this is just a suggestion on my part. jed wulliman [log in to unmask]