Dear friennds Since I started the programming of my software back in 1972, I have been thinking of a way to collect data in the beeyard, and then in an easy way getting those data into the computer for futher processing. What have kept me away from this aproach have been the cost. But now the littel handheld computer has got a reasonabel price and the little PALM V, I am writing on now cost here in Denmark around $300. So now back to write on the computer :-) I have investigated in software to create a handheld software for beekeeping, and I came to, that what was convenient was Satellite forms, because it is using a Dbase V database, and the forms can be designed to match my bidata software.It also shows that this hanheld can be used by Mac Users and that the handheld software therefore can be used by those people owing this kind of PC. The only drawback is, that it cost Money, A lot of Money, so I will not investigate further unless there is an interest in this approach: Using a handheld computer to make notes and judgments in the bee yard and then transferring the data to the PC, for further processing. So Your comments Please. About taking notes I still have the feeling that you are doing much to much Paperwork, and I still feel that the Bidata and its data file is doing what is needed for processing relevant data of both queen breeder and normal beekeeper interest. If that is not the fact then please tell me what you need. I am programming for the beekeepers, not for me myself, and I want to have my software doing what is needed. EDbi now has a new CD,Including the litle writing offered shown and given out on Apimondia 99, about Nordic Beekeeping, Why not get this CD that contains a lot of beekeeping stuff. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo (Denmark) [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] Multilingual Beekeeping software since 1972 http://apimo.dk [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]