Kathy, I was right there with you when I heard Peter Jennings.
My jaw literally hit the floor. He started with something to the
effect of "just as our recent survey shows that x% of babies go
into daycare, the AAP recommends that babies be breastfed for a year".
Not a quote, but the implication was that working mothers would be
unable to do this! Huh????? I turned to my husband and chuckled,
"wouldn't it be ridiculous if Nestle sponsored this show?" Anyone
want to guess what the very next commercial was? YES, it was a
Stouffer's commercial!!!! ARRRGGGHHH!
I went to www.abcnews.com and sent an email to them.
Wendy Funk
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Date: 12/3/97 10:22 AM
There are 15 messages totalling 355 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Price increase for PNS
2. Nursing Bras
3. Pump info at bf classes
4. morning news show
5. NOW's E-mail address
6. Breastfeeding on TV
7. My letter to NOW
8. Gift vouchers
9. breastfeeding pillows (2)
10. Teethmarks
11. AAP Guidelines URL
12. AAP statement
13. new study in Pediatrics journal
14. Modesty blaze
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:56:30 -0500
From: "Jan Barger RN, MA, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Price increase for PNS
Maureen asks:
<< Just my two cents, but why would anyone want to pay that much money? And
how many people could afford it? Looking at why the price increased from
$219 to $288, it said that prices went up 4% and some "convenience" items
have been added, like the CSF bags, a vehicle lighter adapter, and some
lanolin cream. Does anyone have any more insight into why they felt it
would be a good idea to add all of this "stuff" to an already good product?
>>
I'd love to know what the company says about this, but do you think they are
feeling the pinch of all those Lactinas lining the warehouse from all the
rental stations that have returned them in favor of selling the PNS? Now if
a mom wants a long term pump, it will be less expensive to rent than it will
be to purchase a PNS. And the company will make more money because more
rental stations will be renting pumps again. I suspect they make far more
money on having rental pumps in rental stations than they do selling a rental
station a PNS.
Just MY $0.02.
Jan B.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:01:47 AST
From: Judy Cormier <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Nursing Bras
I have a client that is having great difficulty obtaining a
46HH nursing bra. Does anyone in Canada or the USA know of a scource
that manufactures larger sized nursing bras? We have tried all the
usual shops in the Maritimes, and have called a manufacturer in
Montreal with no success. Any help would be appreciated.
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:13:38 -0500
From: "Jan Barger RN, MA, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Pump info at bf classes
Tammi says,
<< If *one* of the ways in which moms are educated about pumps is through
quality pump stations speaking at prenatal bf classes is unethical, then
call
me thusly. >>
Why on earth are we spending time at prenatal breastfeeding classes teaching
about pumping? ? This is not to bash pump rental stations, but IM(not so
humble)O, prenatal breastfeeding classes are to teach moms about
breastfeeding, and how to survive the first few days after birth. The best
time to teach about pumping is when the mother needs the pump. IF the mother
needs the pump. I do teach a prenatal bf class, and when the issue of
pumping comes up, I tell them that yes, pumps are useful in some situations,
and that it's important to concentrate on breastfeeding and getting the
breastfeeding off to a good start. If she has questions about pumping after
the baby comes, then I'll be happy to talk to her -- and she can call me
ANYTIME, day or night. But I want her to concentrate on breastfeeding, not
pumping. And prenatal moms are classed to death as it is -- they aren't even
sure they are going to live through labor and delivery, let alone discuss
going back to work 6 to 8 weeks after the baby is born.
I agree that I'd much rather have a good pump rental station that teaches
about pumping rather than handing the pump over without instruction -- but
the time to teach is at the time, not 3 or 4 months before the baby is born.
Which means that perhaps the pump companies should have an ethical
responsibility to make sure the pump rental stations they open up are ethical
in their dealings with mothers and are teaching appropriately. Hmmm?
Jan
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:40:11 -0500
From: Linda Mosher <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: morning news show
I was watching the news shows this morning and saw the "latest" on childhood
obesity related to later heart problems. They only said that if the parents
are overweight then the children are more likely to be overweight and have
risk factors for heart trouble later, then they go on to say that we have to
focus on correcting this in childhood with weight loss programs for them and
exercise and nutrition improvement. They didn't say one word about infant
nutrition being the first place to look for optimal nutrition and it's role
in lessening risks for heart disease later. I can just see it now. We are
going to have parents thinking they are doing the best by severely
restricting fats in babies under 2 years again. It was not emphasized that
the weight loss regime shouldn't be imposed on children under 2.
Sorry I couldn't help ranting a little. I already went through this a few
years ago with moms, and I can see this setting up again.
Linda Mosher, LLLL, Kalamazoo, MI
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:53:46 EST
From: Melissa V Kirsch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NOW's E-mail address
For those who want to write the National Organization of Women regarding
its position on BF, the e-mail address is: [log in to unmask]
Melissa Kirsch
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:58:04 -0500
From: Margery Wilson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Breastfeeding on TV
As I was watching the "Mad About You" episode I was
happy to see the amount of correct information that
was portrayed, and I couldn't help but think of all the
years of work by those who keep up the "media
watch." It's no accident that scriptwriters got it (mostly)
correct.
For those who didn't see the show, it portrayed a new
mom bf. Her mother (Carol Burnett) starts the scene
by waking up the new parents to tell them its time to
feed the baby -- making a point to say that they should
aim to feed the baby every 2 3/4 hours and not to wait
until the baby is crying. (This information was played
off the new mom saying she had planned to feed the
baby every 4 hours -- so it was scripted to present
correct information.) It was also interesting that the MIL
hovered over the new mom reminding her "not just the
nipple -- the whole areola."
I didn't see the mention by Michael Fox pointed out in a
previous post. But, later in the evening I noticed Jay
Leno used the new AAP guidelines in his monologue,
making a point about six months of exclusive bf. The
punch line was a gentle one having to do with the
septuplet's mom saying "Oh, sure, easy for you to
say".
Those of you who have labored in the vineyard can be
proud of yesterday's "harvest." Thanks for all your hard
work.
Margery Wilson, IBCLC
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:08:07 -0500
From: "J. Rachael Hamlet & Duncan L. Cooper" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: My letter to NOW
I am a feminist. I am a mother. I am a breastfeeding advocate. I found
Janice Rocco's remarks on the new AAP recommendation that babies be breastfed
for at least a year puzzling. Rather than condemning the AAP for simply
telling the truth: that breastfeeding matters to mothers and babies, and that
breastfeeding should be an important component of a baby's diet for at least
the first 12 months, it would have been much more productive if you had taken
the position espoused by the director of NOW's Connecticut chapter: the
academy's recommendation should buttress support for legislation that would
require employers to accommodate women who are breast-feeding.
Mothers need accurate and complete information to make choices about their
health and the health of their babies. Protecting them from this information
because it might "make them feel guilty" is patronizing, and does not advance
the cause of woman-friendly workplaces.
For more information about working and breastfeeding, take a look at my web
page, The Breastfeeding Advocacy Page,
http://www.clark.net/pub/activist/bfpage/bfpage.html
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:13:38 +0000
From: Val Best RN RM IBCLC <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Gift vouchers
Had an interesting call today from the sister of an expectant Mum.
She wanted to know if she could give her sister the present of a one
to one consultation with Lactation Consultant ante natally and post
natally. I was so impressed. Maybe we should start gift
vouchers!!!!!
Val in Busselton, Western Australia
RN RM IBCLC
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:15:57 -0500
From: Diane Wiessinger <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: breastfeeding pillows
Now that we've dissected pumps for a while, how about pillows? I loathed
them on sight, feeling that they delayed and formalized what should be a
quick and casual event and contributed to poor positioning by "telling"
the mom to take the baby's weight on her lap instead of on her torso.
I had one client who refused to even try nursing (her second!) without her
pillow. "Let's practice 'emergency breastfeeding,' I suggested. "You're
at the mall, you brought the baby, the toddler, the stroller, the diaper
bag, and... oops! You forgot the pillow and the baby's hungry." She
started to put the pillow aside, then scooped it back up and told me, "I
won't forget my pillow".
But since then I've seen several mothers who do nurse quickly and casually
everywhere, who felt a nursing pillow was a big help to them initially.
One LC told me she's struck by how a new nursing mother is separate,
disjointed parts - breast, hands, body, baby - that she has to learn to
coordinate. When you see her a month or two later, the parts are joined
together smoothly, but at first perhaps the pillow helps her focus on a few
of the parts at one time without having to worry about all of them
together. And I've noticed that the moms I've worked with who've had a
pillow have put the baby completely on his side on the pillow - because it
just didn't work otherwise - perhaps teaching them to keep the baby on his
side after they stop using the pillow. I also noticed, when I tried on a
model w/ a wraparound velcro strap, that I felt "nurtured". I was being
"held", and it was a soothing, centering feeling. Interesting!
My tentative compromise has been to have a nursing pillow that I loan out
for 2 weeks at a time. That way, the mom *has* to give it back and "go
solo", but can use it initially if she and I feel it might be helpful.
What do others think about this latest attempt by industry to make money
off a free and fundamental human behavior? Pros? Cons?
Diane Wiessinger, MS, IBCLC, LLLL Ithaca, NY
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:19:08 +0000
From: Val Best RN RM IBCLC <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Teethmarks
I had this experience first time around when my son was 8 months old
and cut his top teeth, it was hell. I was so close to weaning as it
seemed to go on and on. The pain eventually subsided after about 3
weeks. He wasn't biting, it was just the pressure. Now three years
later, I still have the scars on my areola to prove it. Unfortunatey
nothing I did seemed to help. I even tried a nipple shield, but he
was to old and just kept grabbing it. Needless to say, I was
terrified when my daugher started cutting her top teeth, but it
didn't happen again, thank goodness.
Val in Busselton, Western Australia
RN RM IBCLC
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:28:18 +0000
From: "Beth E. Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: AAP Guidelines URL
Several people have asked about the complete guidelines. Someone was already
kind enough to post the URL, which I'll repeat:
http://www.aap.org/policy/re9729.html
Please note: they allow you to make one copy for personal use, so copying it
for a website (as one person mentioned) would be illegal, but you can link to
it which is what I'll be doing.
Regards,
Beth Johnson, CBE, ICCE
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:36:35 -0500
From: Cindy <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: breastfeeding pillows
Lots of moms I work with like the Pillows, I prefer the one made for
twins , even when nursing a single baby, it offers more support. I tell
moms that these are luxry items and not at all needed to bf , but some
moms insist........
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Cindy , RN, IBCLC ***** Virginia , USA
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http://www.erols.com/cindyrn
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:50:56 -0500
From: Denhez Louise <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: AAP statement
No big surprise for us in the AAP statement. But the talk of the day at
the local health center where I work ! With elation too !!!
I was also pleasantly surprised by the last batch of medical students I
has last week : Gosh, they knew something about BF, aside that it is the
best (but often does not work), they did not yell "ayatollah" (i.e.
"integrist", "nazi", and other nasty word) when I mentioned it, and one
of them spontaneously pointed out the contradiction between saying bf is
best and beeing afraid of "culpabilizing" those who don't bf. Wow... I
may be able to go out of the business soon !
Louise Denhez, M.D., M.P.H
Nontreal, Quebec, Canada
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:13:58 -0500
From: Denhez Louise <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: new study in Pediatrics journal
Hurray, at long last, an article in a "medical" journal (nursing journals
are often snubbed by some of my esteemed colleagues). Ammunitions, at
last !
Louise Denhez, M.D., M.P.H
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:28:15 +1000
From: Maureen Minchin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Modesty blaze
"a very modest attitude towards the human body"??
or a very screwed up one? I love seeing photos of muslim women in full
purdah and not even their eyes visible, but with a breast poking out
through a slit in their black clothes, into a baby's mouth, quite
comfortably. Modesty is as modesty does, and I think this is as modest as
Barbie: a sort of obscenity in its own revolting way. But then I am
peculiar, I know... M
Maureen Minchin, IBCLC
5 St, George's Rd., Armadale Vic 3143 Australia
tel/fax after March 1: 61.3.95094929 or 95000648
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