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I think it's also worth noting that Gov. Rubio used that same "I'm not a
scientist" deflection when he disputed anthropogenic climate change and
criticized his opponent as a "believer in man-made global warming."  Even
if cosmology and evolution don't seem obviously connected to GDP, there's
no question that climate change ignorance has huge economic implications.
Especially in Rubio's own state of Florida, at exceptionally high risk from
its effects.

In many respects, climate change is a crisis in the public understanding of
science, giving us all [as science educators] important responsibilities in
addressing it.  And for this, I think it may be as important to help people
understand science itself, as a systematic search for truth, as it is to
convey specific scientific results from diverse fields, which might seem
disconnected and optional.

-Richard


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Erich Rose <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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> Len,
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> In some ways I like your analogy about what you understand as tied to what
> you can observe.  But I will now suggest that an understanding of the age
> of the earth compared to an understanding of electricity or light should be
> no different.  In fact the forces that formed and shaped the earth are
> easier to observe than the atomic level forces involved with light or
> electricity.  A great example just took place: Sandy.  Huge amounts of
> sediment were moved in a matter of hours. The earth is a dynamic entity.
>  Earthquakes, volcanoes, floods are the forces that we use to understand
> the age of the earth,  Fossils are part of it, as well as radioactive
> decay, and a number of other forms of observable evidence.  Much easier
> than trying to watch actual photons or electrons.  I think your bias is
> strictly a product of your scientific proclivities: you probably know more
> about physics than geology.  And when I think about my own education as
> well as my teenage daughters the pecking order of science started with
> physical sciences, followed by biology, and earth science came last.  One
> of her HS science teachers just decided to completely skip the chapters on
> evolution and the rest of the geology stuff was a skim over.
>
> We need our fellow citizens to be well-rounded in all the sciences.
>  Everyone will have their favorites, and some will always reject parts, but
> it still needs to be a good mix.
>
> There seems to be a trend toward taking things out of the educational mix
> when they are deemed hard to understand or bump up against other beliefs.
>  Certainly our elected officials are not helping in any great way.
>
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> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Len Adams wrote:
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> > If I'm honest, I'd have to say I don't really know how old the earth is,
> either.  I can take the word of people I trust, and I can say I think the
> earth is 4.5 billion years old, but I'm taking the word of various text
> books and teachers, and the arguments they make.  I don't have any
> first-hand knowledge about this, not like the knowledge I have about how
> electricity behaves or how light behaves.
> >
> > On some level my inkling that the earth is 4.5 billion years old is not
> so different from a biblical or other faith-based understanding of the age
> of the earth.  I think there are a lot I take on faith, that I haven't seen
> for myself first-hand, that I sometimes take as fact.  The trick for me is
> remembering the difference; that I've seen for myself that under certain
> conditions light travels in a straight line, on the other hand being able
> to conceptualize 4.5 billion years is a little outside of my realm of
> experience.
> >
> > Mr. Rubio was trying to walk a political tightrope, but on a certain
> level I think I'm right there with him.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Len
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