> "Natural" seems to be nothing more than a rationalization of a choice between purchases by people who don't have a firm grasp on the full scope of the issue at issue. 

> But both humans and bees are so now so completely domesticated as to make "evolution" irrelevant for both, and "breeding" the only possible source of change. 

Look, you can't have it both ways. Either nature and evolution are ongoing, or they both ended when civilization began. I think it's pretty clear that evolution cannot stop, nor is there anything we do outside of the realm of nature, biology, physics, etc.

The nature/mankind dichotomy is false and self-constructed. It cannot be measured, there is no line in the sand except where you draw it. Same goes for evolution. How can it stop? We are part of it, as much as anything else.

PLB

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