Marlin (SCOTT) Kline wrote:
 
> ANDY IF YOU POSSIBLY HAVE GIVEN THOUGHT THAT WAS A LOVE LETTER FROM KATHY YOU ARE
> PROBABLY GETTING WARM FUZZES ABOUT NOW FROM THE LETTER I SENT YOU
> YOU ARE A MUCH LARGER A$$HOLE THAN YOU GIVE YOURSELF CREDIT FOR." IMHO" MAYBE YOU
> SHOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER LIST TO SUBSCRIBE TO~~~~~~~~~ttyl~~~~~~
> the bee cop with the badge and in some
> areas a gun dressed in his green
> suit.
>
>
> Having got that off my chest, I'm standing by
> for some charming responses.
> The nice part is that I can 1.) leave my
> computer off for a week, and/or 2.)
> trash at will, and no one will ever know.
> Andy Nachbar wrote:
>
> > Hello Kathy and thanks for the Love Letter, I am sorry that you have such a
> > low personal opinion of my posts and I am sure you are not alone. I will
> > try to do better in the future as I surely do not know it all and have room
> > for some improvement in my life.
> >
> > I will make a few points since I have rung your bell I might as well add to
> > your lists of personal grievances. If you are not interested you are free
> > and welcome to add me to your reader's byte bucket list and should do it
> > now before reading any farther.
> >
> > (EXIT NOW)
> >
> > 1st and most important I have always been up front with what I post and I
> > always try to impress all readers that what I post is "in my own humble
> > opinion" (IMHO), and what I write should not be taken as anything more then
> > the Bee Gospel according to my own experiences from a lifetime within the
> > Beekeeping Industry and in my own beehives and many others. I am sure
> > other's may have done the time but I would not expect them to have the same
> > opinion's or express them in the same style as I do, if at all, that's life..
> >
> > I do pride myself on being honest and truthful in what I say but admit that
> > I use a style of writing that I hope makes other's think and in no way is
> > intended to do any more then cause all to read what I write. I do not write
> > the politically correct post as anyone can see. It may be seen as
> > aggressive by some, but other's take a certain amount of pride to have been
> > the subject of one of my so called report's and some do make changes
> > because of them and many of these victims are in real life considered my
> > friends. Maybe it is a painful learning process which is the norm when
> > working with bees or the Internet. Everyone who read's what I write is free
> > to e-mail any challenge to what I post and they do and I have at times
> > admitted I was wrong in my opinion's which have not been cast in stone or
> > handed down from above.
> >
> > Some feeling and ego's do get bruised but that is the nature of this thing
> > we call language and the impersonal nature of the Internet's news groups,
> > list mail, and e-mail,.. most experienced readers and posters do not and
> > should not take what anyone write's as personal. I am sorry for those who
> > do shed a tear because they felt they were personally attacked and can only
> > say to them it's a two way street of experience and if anyone feels they
> > were personally offended they are free here to express their own opinions.
> > A common mistake that we all make and that is reading something into
> > other's post that was not intended by the sender. I do not have time for
> > personal fights or personal attack's in my life's work, but know that my
> > style of writing can be the subject of mis interpretation by those who may
> > read what I write, not all do as many do not like long winded posts or
> > posts that ramble, both are the norm for me, and all are welcome not to
> > read them.
> >
> > I don't expect many to agree with what I write and yet every week I am
> > asked for permission to use what I have written in one way or another and
> > this gives me the warm fuzzes but also does surprise me and I have without
> > effort, other then what is required to make a post, became one the most
> > quoted beekeepers on the world wide net. I don't know if this is good, but
> > for sure many want to read what I have to say and are not turned off by how
> > I say it and find my effort's worthwhile or they would not be making the
> > efforts to add my words to their own web pages, newsletter's, real
> > newspaper's, books, and other not so friendly places.
> >
> > Anyway I am in no way offended when other's don't agree with me personally
> > and welcome and encourage all to express their own opinions and I do not
> > judge anyone because he or she has expressed a differing opinion or do I
> > try to belittle those who ask questions as I found out a long time ago the
> > only bad question is the one that was not asked and believe it or not I
> > learn by what other's ask. I have personally set up a "auto responder" for
> > new bee's who want some basic information and it is well used to the point
> > that I seldom mention it as it costs me dearly, but thankfully others have
> > followed my lead and several "auto responders" are now installed on the
> > Internet for beekeeper's use.
> >
> > I also believe that "if you can do it better then I, then have at it!". I
> > personally plan on continuing with my own efforts as long as I am able as I
> > have a lot to say and have just began to say it.
> >
> > >I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you did the right things, if
> > >anything you erred to the side of caution and IMHO, that is a good
> > >thing.
> >
> > What was that you say, someone may have errored.., IMHO it was one error
> > that so many beekeepers, new and old make, and that is looking to
> > government to solve a common everyday beekeeping problem.
> >
> > >As for Andy Nachbaur's other comments about  "Afro Bee Slash and Burn"
> > >"quarantine boss with star and gun at the ready"; it appears to me that
> > >Andy has some problem with the current method of quarantine being used
> > >in this country to attempt to stop/slow the spread of african honeybees
> >
> > Yes, this includes ALL US bee quarantines which have done nothing to stop,
> > slow down or cure any beekeeping problem and in fact have ruined the lives
> > of so many good beekeepers and their families who were no different from
> > anyone else on this earth other then to have been the victims of the zeal
> > of others. At least one death can be pointed out as a direct result of one
> > of the bee quarantines though not from a gun shot or bee stings but a
> > broken heart and many others have suffered such a degree of damage that no
> > amount of liberal rhetoric can ever make them whole again or will I ever
> > personally forgive those whom I know were responsible or those in positions
> > of responsibility who did nothing but fan the fires knowing all along that
> > it was wrong. The US bee quarantines have been so bad that even the US
> > government agency that was responsible for them now uses them as an example
> > of what not to do in their internal training operations. Even the AHB
> > guarantee is due to expire because the science behind it is so poor that
> > any lower court challenge would end it anyway.(IMHO)
> >
> > >I recall an earlier post in which he advises someone looking for African
> > >honeybee stock to breed in the US, that he contact some of the guys behind
> > >quarantine lines to get AHB breeding stock.
> >
> > I did that? It is my own opinion that since we have AHB we should take our
> > heads out of our sand boxes., It is time we got to know our bees including
> > the AHB personally and up close and work and use them, not as attack dogs,
> > but use some of their well known productive qualities to make improvement
> > to most any stock now in this country. We don't have to import them via
> > some government program as they are here now in abundance, nor do we have
> > to relied on the judgement of persons with nothing to gain or lose in
> > choosing the right stock for ourselves. Believe it or not many beekeepers
> > in the US are doing what I have suggested above and they do live with fear,
> > and that's not right. Man or beekeepers should have the right to use what
> > God has provided without fear of punishment or destruction from his fellow
> > man the bee cop with the badge and in some areas a gun dressed in his green
> > suit.
> >
> > Well for a fact if there are so called quarantine lines they have not kept
> > beekeepers from moving in and out of these areas such as bees from Texas
> > and other states known to have AHB, (now including California, an infested
> > state) and these same bees can be found in both the South, East, West and
> > North and have not caused any reported problems and have added to the
> > wealth of this county with honey production and pollination of many
> > agricultural crops, then what good are quarantines other then to provide
> > employment to government people whom could be doing other more productive
> > things like checking meat for bad smells or bugs and chemicals.
> >
> > >I figured when no one blasted him for that (IMO irresponsible) post,
> > >that most everyone here on BEE-L had come to appreciate Andy for his
> > >forwarding of other peoples info, press releases, etc. but had learned
> > >to ignore much of what  he personally had to say
> >
> > >(I was lucky to have been forewarned).
> >
> > You may have been the victim of some poor information but you make it sound
> > like there is a "Kill the OLd Drone Club".<G> But as long as you read what
> > I write I believe in time you may with real time beekeeping experience have
> > a somewhat more moderate opinion on ignoring what I and other commercial
> > beekeepers have to say and may even change your open personal attacks on my
> > own opinions and my posts made at great personal investment and without
> > expectations of rewards or even the recovery of out of pocket costs.
> >
> > I seldom blow my own horn like this but I take great pride in the numbers
> > of people who over the years have taken the time to come up to me
> > personally, sometimes years later, and tell me how that at one time they
> > thought I had one wheel off the track but they have with experience changed
> > their own opinion's and think it is important enough to personally tell me
> > that I was on the right track all the time. This is the only real reward I
> > get for my personal public efforts and does make it worthwhile and calms my
> > own fears and cold chills I get when so many times I have stood up alone
> > before National and State Beekeeping groups, University Boards, the
> > Legislature's, and the Court's, trying in my own way to protect myself and
> > my industry from those who would do us as individuals under by telling it
> > in my own way as I see it and it has worked well and I would be happy to
> > give you details but will not take the time now. I have always included all
> > beekeepers in my efforts and do not judge individuals by the number of bees
> > they have or the reason they have them or even what they post to newsgroups
> > or list mailers but I read them all as time permits and even the personal
> > Love Letters from other readers.
> >
> > IMHO, ttul, the OLd Drone