I approved this post to drive home the post about excessive quotes. I
don't know how to get across the point that one does not need to repeat the
post to which they are responding. Karen's post was 4 lines. 4 LINES. It
dragged along two screens of yesterday's news.
PLEASE, ALL POSTERS, EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT BAGGAGE IS NECESSARY. This is
not Beesource, I keep the bar high, why do posters resist? Is my guideline
to minimize quotes unreasonable?
Aaron Morris - Owner/Editor/Moderator
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Pruiett, Karen S <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I have been keeping bees in East Central IL for 40 years, and worked as
> the bee technician at the UI Beelab for Gene Robinson for 10 years. I am
> now officially a lurker since Aaron didn't see that a couple of my
> responses passed his inspection to post.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> On Nov 10, 2016 12:30 PM, Charles Linder <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I find it more difficult to even read what appears on Bee-L, as I am both
> forced to feed excessively due to warmer and longer Indian Summers each
> year, and I am ramping up for the Christmas season, where we add beeswax
> gift items
>
> James, great thoughts, but get your priorities straight! Reading a bee-l
> post is always more fun than a Holiday fair!
>
>
>
> To this actual topic though, I have given much consideration lately. Even
> several offline discussions. The question is "what is bee-l now and what
> do you want it to be? With a secondary question of who is "the you" in the
> previous statement.
>
> Looking at bee-l there are 5-7 major posters and maybe a dozen minor ones,
> and hundreds (Aaron may chime in) of lurkers. My question is why are they
> lurkers, and the answer to that is simple (based on MANY conversations
> with
> lurkers who are good friends) the vast majority is intimidation. Most are
> intimidating by the main names here, and scared of looking uninformed.
> I see many of the same friends posting regularly on BS, and joining the
> conversation there, but here they are silent. Sometimes its because they
> don't understand friendly debate, other times our replies, even well
> intentioned ones come off wrong. Such as a recent comment to me. I
> completely understood it, but to a reader I was chided for a dumb comment.
>
> So the question is, should this be a place for casual discussion as well
> as
> "informed debate" on Science? Where is the line? Should one need a degree
> in Biology to be able to discuss? What is the goal and future for Bee-l?
> I see the number of researchers in the bee field going up, but
> participation here dropping? How do we get researchers to come and ask
> about what beekeepers need and want? How do we get newbies to get involved
> in discussion?
>
> Fully understanding Randy and Peters point about not wanting to be
> teachers,
> but "informed discussion" but with todays email and communication so easy,
> is that really the point of a bulletin board?
>
> Like it or not, I may be able to argue with Randy and Pete on some level,
> but bee biology at their level is out of the question. Does that mean I am
> not qualified to argue the theory? Those are questions that need to be
> addressed to determine what happens here.
>
> Personally, I am grateful that most of you tolerate and participate in
> discussion, especially when you think I am wrong! Without that debate
> there is no point to reading here. How do we encourage more? Or do we??
> Some may recall Christina and I debating epigenetic at length a while back.
> I learned more in that discussion that I can relate, even though we still
> disagree on some parts of it! Without some of my "dumber" comments, we
> would not have gotten Richards great explanation on partial kill theory and
> resistance. Luckily I have thick skin.....
>
> Right now we come of as argumentive and dismissive to a lot of folks, good
> bad or ugly, its reality. To promote more discussion we need to drag in
> some others inputs and topics... And no, I don't know how to accomplish
> that, or if its even welcome. That's the question that really needs
> addressed in my opinion.
>
> I do realize we don't want some of the nonsense that goes on in BS, but do
> we really want to only be at a doctorate level discussion?
>
>
> Charles
>
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