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Hello Bee Quick,
These techniques you claim to be recently developed are in fact part of
history, and tested in actual field conditions, labs were few back then.
Perhaps, you are selecting fairy tales to discredit in order to bolster
to your position. We should not look at the fairy tales, lets focus on
history. Lets have you put up some evidence. Tell us what old techniques
were discredited, and by whom?
I have bee hunting articles that show they are the same as used today in
the files here:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HistoricalHoneybeeArticles
If one were to conceal the dates, they would be nearly indistinguishable
from the basic techniques used today.
In reply to your ‘throw a rock and follow the trajectory to a colony
remark’:
The more I listen to what you often have written in the way of belittling
the willpower and determination that these woodsmen possessed. I am of
the belief you have absolutely no idea what they were capable of in the
realm of toughness, and therefore are unable to accept the history.
To provide proof of the falsity of your rock trajectory claim, I will show
that these bee hunters were highly skilled, and courses were followed for
miles in those days if need be. A single search reveals evidence of just
such an account:
Middletown Times-Press
Tuesday, September 10, 1918 Middletown, New York
=====Article Start=====
FOLLOWED BEES FOR THREE
MILES; DIDN'T GET HONEY
Wurtsboro, Sept. 10 —David Addison
Kaiffin, who usually finds more
bee trees than any man In this section,
was somewhat disappointed one
day last week, after following a bee
line for three miles from near King's
swamp to find it led direct to one of
Harvey Baxter's bee skeps.
=====End=====
Remember that ‘bee courses’ were of such value, they were sometimes used
like currency, and were sold and bartered. Please explain why someone
would bother paying for a bee course if they could simply throw a stone
and follow it to a bee tree as you claim??
> For example, setting out a "dish" with feed, even
> heavily scented
> feed may be an exercise in frustration during any
> bloom period.
So you are attempting to discredit an old technique based on using it
wrongly? Don’t forget about winter time also, this would cause great
failure.
it is
> still more efficient
> to seek out water sources than it is to attempt to
> "attract" bees
Yes!! Another ‘old technique’ used for many years.
You claim this as a ‘new technology’ also??
If I may quote from the book “The Barefoot Beekeeper” by Phil Chandler
“There is nothing new in beekeeping - only old ideas recycled in new
cloths.”
> The best triangulation tool one can have is a GPS…
I have a GPS, you still need to use the compass function to determine
direction, so nothing new here. A GPS is basically nothing more than a
compass and rule.
….. and one can use the "project waypoint"
> function for bees released from as few as 2 widely
> different points to
> locate the hive with surprising precision.
Your new technology is 300 years too late!
This you describe is the exact method developed in 1723 by Paul Dudley,
(some give the credit to his father) which with great precision pinpoints
the exact location of the nest by using “waypoints”.
The method is illustrated in Eva Cranes ’World History of Beekeeping and
Honey Hunting’
<http://books.google.com/books?id=ANTSvKj1AZEC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=
22paul+dudley22+method+bee+hunting&source=web&ots=I9KN6AKEen&sig=wSqLx7z79b
Hc2pFQ82Y0iW1nDko&hl=en>
> Many times, I could not find the hive at the
> intersection of the flight
> vectors, but could detect the bees with a parabolic
> mike and a pair of
> headphones.
That’s the problem with relying on technology, you are loosing your senses.
I have articles in the files of bee hunters finding colonies a hundred
feet up a cliff, and at the tops of massive popular trees. I doubt they
had the parabolic thingy back then, but they found the bees.
The procedure, when you cannot locate the hive at the intersection is to
continue with another course, 'and use your senses'. ;)
See Tough old bee hunter here:
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=51988
Bee Hunters
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/palmer/full/ep206.jpeg
Bee Hunter
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/palmer/full/ep205.jpeg
Removing bees from walls
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=33935
A bee man
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=33972
Woman Catching Swarm
http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/fullimage.asp?id=33917
No GPS, or techno gadgets there ehh?
Joe
feralbeeproject.com
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