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Jerry Bromenshenk <[log in to unmask]>
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Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:27:51 EST
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Mike makes some good points.
 
However, I think Mike agrees more often than not with what's been  said.  
Since anyone can start and edit  a Wiki page- as he says, its  pseudonymous.
 
And, he implies that an editor would object to slashing out whole  
paragraphs.  I've never slashed large sections, but Doug didn't even  have the symptoms 
right - and they have been published repeatedly through a  variety of forums.  
First glance, looks right, but he persists in getting  one of the main ones 
wrong - just the opposite of what we see.  If he'd  ever seen a case of CCD, 
he'd know better. 
 
I haven't bothered to check the Wiki recently to see if he finally  realized 
the mistake, but he has changed it back just as fast as I  corrected it.
 
Mike's statement that: 'No one owns the page or has any greater  weight of 
voice than any other editor' is a nice thought, but simply not  true.  
 
When one editor decides that they know better than anyone else, repeatedly  
changing any and all edits, than that editor does have a greater voice, sort of 
 like the bully in the school yard.  A responsible editor might ask why  
others disagree, do some fact checking. 
 
I haven't spent much time trying to figure out if there is any moderator to  
which one can send complaints.  After all, the whole idea, as Mike points  
out, is that anyone can edit a Wiki page.  That its strength AND its  weakness.  
 
I'm sorry, but if someone starts or edits a page about a topic that has  
national relevance, I expect the editor to be knowledgeable and competent, or  
else let someone else do the editing.  
 
Overall, Mike agrees with all of this - he is stating the obvious --  Wiki 
pages are a form of community communication.  I don't  disagree, from a 
philosophical viewpoint, Mike's correct about what  and how Wiki
s work.
 
But, as a scientist, I would hope that an informed community  voice might be 
heard, not that of an editor who dominates the  discourse.  Especially when 
that editor has it so wrong.  
 
Finally, Mike commented: Jerry says he has hard evidence about  CCD.   
 
I'm not sure what Mike is saying.  I have a LOT of data about CCD,  have seen 
as many cases as anyone in the U.S. (I'm reasonably sure of  this).  So, if 
that's what Mike means, I'd agree.  However, I don't  pretend to know the cause 
of CCD - if that's what Mike is implying when he talks  about hard evidence 
about CCD.  We've some leads that look promising.   I'm reasonably sure that 
CCD is contagious.  I doubt that it is caused by  pesticides, although 
pesticides may contribute as yet another stressor.   And, I believe that some 
beekeepers continue to have problems with pesticides -  those problems have never gone 
away.
 
Jerry
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