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From: "Roy Nettlebeck" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology"
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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [BEE-L] raising queens


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>
>
> > I said:
> > I am afraid that the qualities obtained by breeding bees need to be
> > maintained and cannot be expected to be self-propagating. I think there
is
> a
> > tendency to revert to generic types.
> >
> > Dave:
> > Your statement above is only true if you do not take enough care in
> > selection or work with poor starting material.
>  Hello Dave , Peter and All,
>  I have enjoyed the posts on the subject.
> All of nature has trade offs.You can't find one genetic type to fit all
> environmental areas.All work will be ongoing.
> The tools that we use ( II ) or open breeding are just tools to reach a
> place we want to be.
> The traits that WE want are elusive.The genes and loci change from
> generation to generation.
> You can start with a good trait ( varroa resistance ) and have other
traits
> that get in your way.
> We want it our way. What is our way ? That is up to the beekeeper. I have
> been having fun with the Russian stock
> starting point. No chemicals in 3 years. Queen cells all over the
place.Not
> all hives have hygienic behavior.
> One needs to select out the most important trait and work on the rest.
>  Bee breeding is complex. Read Bee Genetics an Breeding by Dr. Rinderer.
I
> have been reading it since 1986
> when it came out. I'm slow. It does give you a perspective of what we are
up
> against. Of what we know , nature is wonderful
> It is very good to share what we see and think. It helps others.
> One line of bee will not fit all areas.At one time , we did come close,
> because of all of the feral colonies in our areas
> to breed with. Now we are in box one, frame one.
>  Beekeeping has changed and we have to change with it. Bee genetics is
> complex with many uncontrolled paths
> for us to go down. Enjoy the trip , we have no choice.
> Best Regards
> Roy Nettlebeck
>

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